Maggie Gyllenhaal and James Spader talk BDSM and Aftercare-S03E26

By Master KuldrinLive, Podcast, Show Notes
Recorded: 12/20/2020 /  Published: 08/13/2021
  • In this episode of The Krypt Mayfair, the chatroom, and I are going to dive into the little know behind the scenes aspect of the movie “Secretary” and hear what Maggie Gyllenhaal and James Spader had to say about BDSM and some unexpected onset aftercare needs.
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    3. “Submission is not about authority and it’s not about obedience; it is all about relationships of love and respect.” -Wm. Paul Young
  • –  “‘Secretary’: Maggie Gyllenhaal Once Broke Down on the Set After Her Infamous Spanking Scene With James Spader” By Laura Dorwart, December 14, 2020
    1. – https://www.cheatsheet.com/entertainment/secretary-maggie-gyllenhaal-once-broke-down-on-the-set-after-her-infamous-spanking-scene-with-james-spader.html/ 

Maggie Gyllenhaal, Jake Gyllenhaal’s sister, had already appeared in movies like Mona Lisa Smile and Donnie Darko when she landed the lead role of Lee Holloway in the 2002 erotic dark comedy Secretary. But it was this starring role, alongside James Spader as E. Edward Grey (yes, another Mr. Grey!), that made then-24-year-old Gyllenhaal a breakout star.

Secretary – which was written by Erin Cressida Wilson, directed by Steven Shainberg, and based on a short story by Mary Gaitskill – became a critically-acclaimed cult classic after it premiered at the Sundance Film Festival. The film follows Lee, a shy secretary who was recently hospitalized for self-harm and depression, through her journey of self-discovery amid an intense relationship based around power exchange and BDSM practices with her boss (Mr. Grey, a dominant and eccentric attorney).

In one of “Secretary’s” most famous scenes, Spader – who was 42 at the time – and Gyllenhaal’s characters fully succumb to their kinky desires when Mr. Grey spanks his secretary over his desk for making a typing error. Reflecting on filming the now-iconic scene (one of the longest spanking scenes in movie history), Gyllenhaal once revealed that she broke down after a particularly overwhelming take. 

– Gyllenhaal said ‘Secretary’ allowed her to explore a hidden side of herself

When Gyllenhaal auditioned for the choice role of Lee in Secretary, she didn’t know much about sadomasochism, kink culture, or the world of BDSM. But Shainberg, the director, explained in several interviews that – after auditioning over 30 actresses for the lead role – he realized that was an asset.

Instead of playing at the “idea” or caricature of a submissive, Gyllenhaal was able to embody the part more naturally. Indeed, many people who were engaged in the BDSM community in their own lives praised the portrayal of kinky relationships in “Secretary”, especially in comparison to later mainstream movies like 50 Shades of Grey.

In an interview with WAMC about her role as a sex worker and adult film director in the HBO series The Deuce in 2018, Gyllenhaal heavily implied that she was able to explore her own sexuality and relationship to power exchange more fully through the film.

Hinting at an aspect of herself that she wasn’t even fully aware of at the time, Gyllenhaal explained that, through Secretary, she was able to “explore something that’s on, kind of, the edge of what [she knew] about [herself],” – albeit “with the protection of fiction.”

“So Secretary was the first time I ever got to do that,” she said. “I never could have articulated that that’s what I wanted at the time, I just was like, ‘Oh, there’s something in here that’s for me.’”

For Gyllenhaal, the role of Lee came to symbolize the importance of “somebody having a sense of what they want — even if it isn’t what everyone tells you you’re supposed to want.”

– Spader thought the spanking scene was done tastefully and ‘with great care’

In his own reflection on the notorious spanking scene, Spader told The Globe and Mail that it wasn’t difficult for him to get into character. He considered the scene central to the characters’ relationship and development.

“For me, it wasn’t difficult to shoot the spanking scene,” said Spader, who has become well-known over the years for taking on erotically-charged roles like those in Crash and Sex, Lies, and Videotape. “I was hitting a woman, yes. But it’s hitting in the context of these characters, and this setting, and this story.”

The writing and direction of the scene ensured that it was done with “great care and thoughtfulness,” he went on to say – when it could so easily have become sensationalistic, gratuitous, or a parody of itself.

– Gyllenhaal once felt ‘overwhelmed’ after one take of the scene

Of course, Spader wasn’t the one getting spanked – so he didn’t have to be nearly as vulnerable, both physically and emotionally, as Gyllenhaal had to be on set.

He acknowledged that power differential with admiration in an interview with the New York Times, saying with respect to his co-star: “The demands were toughest for her. If there was anyone who really had to expose themselves, it was her. And she was able to do it without reservation.”

For Gyllenhaal, too, it wasn’t necessarily the sex scenes or the nudity that sometimes made her feel overwhelmed on set. The spanking scene and other similar segments, in which she took a submissive role, sometimes made the actress feel “overwhelmed.” After one take in particular, she needed time alone to process.

‘”It was overwhelming,” she told the New York Times. “James came over and started talking to me and I said, ‘I can’t talk right now, James. Stay away from me, everybody.’ And then after we finished the scene, James came over again and I started crying. We just talked about it. He was so cool.’”

Despite the role’s challenges, Gyllenhaal later repeatedly spoke about the role of Lee and her experience in Secretary with love. Both she and Spader spoke about BDSM in the context of the film as the way those particular characters expressed love and empowered one another. The unique love story offered them plenty of chances for creativity and exploration as actors.

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